Grinch winch sucks, i know the kids that make them. I've ridden these many times, best one i rode was just a homemade one, my friend kevin made, it was able to deep water start me(big dude) My best friend eric lives one house down on the same lake as scott bylery, we used to party and ride with him all the time, he had a badass winch. I rode the railjam winch wakeskate tourny at pierfest 2006, they used a grinch and were constantly having problems with it. Mike k used to ride alot too on the winches, they are deff a good time. maybe ill finally get surgery on my knee and get back in shape and get back at it!