its hard to side with one or the other cause im a 7m supra guy.i work on cars for a living and in bradenton were i stay hondas and dsm's pay my bills! i have built turbo systems for honda guys and upgraded a crap load of 2g eclipse's for dsm'ers.the my 2cents is that its not the cars but the owners of the cars! most honda guys i meat around hear rice the crap out of there cars or bring me a manifold and a turbo and wante me to install it without supporting mods! then thay see my supra or some of my dsm customers cars tearing up the road and wante to keep up with 200 bucks invested! some of the dsm'ers are just as bad! half the guys on both sides around hear look at me crazy when i tell them to buy a wideband! thay have no idea what it is or why thay need it if its not an upgrade lol! my problem with dsm's is its to easy for some punk to slap a boost controller on it and get it to fly! i had a kid with a 1g awd talon pushing 21psi calling wounder why his headgasket kept blowing. no injectors,fuel pump,or tune. its not the cars its the owners! the cars only as good as the man(or women these days)that builds and maintains it! raise your hand if you know what blue printing is!