I dont feel like reading this whole thread but just to set some stuff straight.

First off the only DSM's that were prone to crank walk is the 2gs which actually was a small percentile that crankwalked,and most of the 2gen guys are sporting the 1g 6bolt engine now days anyways.

Also, wheres the proof that theres more quick Hondas than DSMs?
Have you ever thought about that THERES ACTUALLY MORE HONDAS THAN DSMS PERIOD...

http://dsmtimes.org/times.php?Header_Type=AWD&Page=1

And that ^ is just the registered DSMS for that times lists, who knows who else out there is even faster. How many other AWD platforms have been in the 8s and 7s in stock unibody chasis? How many 4cylinders can hold 600awhp on STOCK BLOCK and how many fully built 4cylinders have produced over 1400 HP like John Shephard and Brent Rau etc.

So whether you Honda boys like DSM's or not you should give them more respect and credit than you do. I can appreciate any fast car built right, any car can be made to go fast...

Also keep in mind, the Evo7-10,Sti's,St4s, etc will eventually get ragged the shit out of and age and become unreliable as well.
Them bitches will ALL be broken and fucked up like half of these hack job dsms when they get 15-20 years old too...

Now Imagen if these Hondas came stock with AWD and TURBO back when they were made, especially with the kids who get in Hondas, they would be the worst unreliable car ever... Think about it... Hondas werent build AWD turbo for a reason, there econo boxes.

Realiability? Be for real.... Hondas have much less torque, and less parts to wear out and break . Have you ever seen a high powered Honda torque graph on the dyno next to a High powered DSM torque curve?...

Btw Honda bottom ends are garbage, their heads are "ok" I dont understand why people are so hype about vtec, and the only reason most of you guys drive civics and intgras is because thats what all of your friends drive and probably the only cars some of you can afford which is understandable because thats probably the same reason why some people drive dsms... Neither of us are paying 20-30k for our cars, its just a biased situation...

Everything has its pros and cons, but you guys are compareing apples to watermellons...