lets go stock for stock, na to na, i had 1994 eclipse gs, no turbo, and that thing was sooooooo slow, completely torquless and gave me problems ALL the time, then i had 3 hondas after that and i will never buy another dsm again, if not boosted their slow as balls, so i dont get how all dsm are always excited because their stock turbo car is faster than stock na honda, well no shit! na to na i think honda wins all around.