its locked down in a storage unit. the car is safe.

CJ, i apreciate you, well, for lack of a better way to say it. realism. your mother doesnt seem to grasp that realism, she seems to still be trying to bail your brother out via lies and deception. as of last saturday i had nothing but sorry for your mother, but judging by what she's posting on the free advice forums, she hasnt learned about her son one bit. Weve been stung by this hard, and i will persue everything i can about this.

The car will end up being lost for your family. Your brother will be charged criminally, and if your mother doesnt watch what she's doing, she will be aswell. taking the car with the lien on it is a misdemenor charge. defemation of character is a civil charge with financial repurcussions. attempt to steal services is a felony charge.

i will persue all of these. my recomendation to your family is to back off. trying to save joe is going to get your family into trouble as well.