I hate to say this, but without a few of you good photographers, its more like Photoshoppers....

I have tried to help some folks, but i have gotten crappy pms becuse of it. I choose not to respond and delete. I see the TF side as being more willing to accept critique and better their technique then some of the TR's. One thing that stands out, is that TR people are so ingrained in to thinking what a "car photo" should look like that they stay in this little box. Never to break out, using their photomatix and their awesome angles. Rather than learn the fundamentals on why certain people took a photo that way. Its great photography has gotten so big in the recent decade, since the evo of digital cams, but it doesnt mean we should throw away critical compositon fundamentals or exposure control.

my 2 cents, please take it as it is, not here to bash anyone, just made an observation.