what i wanna know is who is paying 16k for a stock s13 and 20k for a stock s14? cuz id like to sell em some things too. lol. I'll give credit to dane for going the best route of taking the 2J and putting it in something more cost effective lol. i can understand you're point about the 45k+ original price tag. i say the same thing when i see TT z32s going for insane prices. hell even R32 GTRs go for less than supra prices.