I don't care for VW's for myself. The wife likes the Jetta/Passat - but doesn't really *want* one.

While I agree most Focii suck for options - I'm not talking about a shitty run of the mill rental car - I'm talking about the SVT-F which includes ALL the options, as well as 170hp 2.0L motor and a 6-speed Getrag. Again, I've owned several Focii before and know them in and out and wouldn't mind owning one again.

I've not seen this Saturn/Opel gimmick yet, I don't think?! Hafta gooooooogle it