oh so now im a dumbass i did not call you any names at least have some respect for the few number of s4 owners in tampa as you know there wont be any new 2.7 t drivers coming in cause of the new 8 cylinder naturaly aspired and im not 17 by the way who ever said that well i might be but that is not the point who cares about how old i am i still have a faster care then most of you vee dubers