everyone knows fwd dsm's dont do 11's without major headwork, built bottom ends, higher compression, better intake manifolds, bigger throttle body's ....on a side note, you have a very good point vince, i have also not run my car at the track cause it wasn't a drag setup, i just put the car together for my own fun, but i would walk past cars that ran "11's or 12s", i know maybe on my best day i was game for for maybe mid to high 12's, with a serious dose of traction and some wicked driving skills, i dunno, it kinda reminds me of a pissing contest, so i've learned to let it go in one ear and out the other unless i see a slip, just my take