you're fucking ignorant. take your unjustified piece of shit comment out of this thread. don't bring up rigidity because they have been proven more rigid than hatches. yea they are heavier, but they weren't meant to skreet draft with dorikidz of teh knight. theyre chill ass cars and you have no idea how awesome top down is untill you experience a long drive in perfect clear weather, night or day, sun or moon, its all good!