Although we used to shun them, we have installed quite a few of the Dual brand double din dvd receivers and have never actually seen any of them fail. I started to sell them earlier this year for right at 400 bucks or so and have yet to warranty one out. Picture is suprisingly good and obviously quality of components isn' t bad either. the XDVD 8261 or 8281 seems to be what most people are going for. Check it out-decent alternative for upgradeing factory DDIN...