thats the problem i might have about the helmet, when they get loose and thats what my problem is now with my hjc helmet (i picked up a large coz i was a newb back then).

b16sleeper, how loose did they get? did anyone else wear the helmet? that might have been a problem.

ill look around ebay for a good price. so far ive seen the cheapest at ebay for 120-130... anyone else knows where i can get them cheaper?

I would really like to get shoeis but thats way out of my budget.