Hmm, I thought the title said Mitsubishi tech forums. Guess I read wrong. So let me get this straight nobody ever ask's "stupid" questions on the other DSM only forum's. Hell even the restricted access boards get them. As far as "shop talk for morons" that you hate so much and think so little of you sure seem to be judging by the # of your post on the "Moron" board ALOT. Guess your right at home here. You notice how the mature DSM guys that know dsm's and are fast 90% of the time either answer a question or point them to the place they can get it. Or they don't answer at all.