Shinmei2006 - i might take you up on that i have to check on some other goodies and ideas 1st

P057 - thanks for the site i think i ran across dam near everything but that one, and it has more info than most the others put together

building your own system seems just as easy maybe even cheaper than buying a pre done deal as far as the ones on mp3car.com go. and after talking to a buddy he has a Xenarc touch screen he's not using. i'm going to look into modifing my old lap top, it faster and has more memory than the ones they sell on mp3cars.com . and it fits in the glove box already. these don't really seem all that dificult to install, makes me wonder why some people would buy just a double din touch screen head unit when you can have something with a lot more toys for about the same amount of money.

-james