hmm let me re word my post i guess. i dont mean that they suck, i mean that they suck as far as a "new" bike. they are supposedly almost the same as the '02 with a little less power. so no i did not mean they suck as a bike. take my word i'm all for the gixxers. '02 gsxr600 was my first bike, and i loved it while i had it. sorry for any confusion