if you guys are CLEANING your chains, take them off the bike. I always have cleaned my chains in a bucket of diesel fuel (because its cheap and readily available). Let them soak for a few minutes then use a parts cleaning brush and go over it. When done I use an air compressor to blow all the grit out and in the end i end up with a spotless chain. Put it on the bike go down the road briefly to heat the chain up, then apply ur fav lube