wow thanks for all the support fellas...but yeah plaid wat kind of lid do you have and i'll meet you somewhere bout the hoods?? oh and sven the sooner i get started on this research the better so pm me the sites thanks...also since we are having all this subie talk me and matt (stiscooby) got together saturday with some other subie owners and decided to inaugurate a club so we can have discussions like this in person so if anyone is interested just hit up matt