gee 'slinger, can't even get a GM guy to agree with you. Now, please point out in my post where I insulted GM's? And feel free to bring Fords into the pic, because I never said they were high quality either (though I will say in my opinion the FOX stang is a better quality car than a 4th gen). My point is this: There is no free lunch. If anyone makes a car that goes 12's and is a good quality car, it will not be found for $23k.