first of all both of you are right.

you have to special order the v8 stage 1 roush. they dont make them with out ordering it because noone would buy them. and i cant find one person who has ordered one in florida.

and the track times if you read they say high 12's for the stage 3 and mid 12's for the 360/380r's but then take a look at the mph on the run 12.3 @ 109 that would take some traction to get that mph on a 12.3 run

roush dont make a 4v anymore they did one year i think but am not sure but you could order a saleen cobra if you want to pay for the special order saleen price

and the roush 360/380r's hp rating is at the wheels not sure about the reg but they are all suppose to be at the ground not the fly like saleen