Right and you obviously know what one sounds like... a human that sounds like a female dog... classic. This is why Mitsu Tech is a playground instead of an actual tech forum... its not suppose to be fun its suppose to be informative with the occassion of having a good time. This is why I go days without posting here, nothing serious comes out of this forum. The one's who ask for opinions get offensive, those who ask for help get little to no help with the always too abused "vtec" "vtak" "crankwalk" remark. I guess I've gotten too old or is it matured to realize something that was once funny is not funny anymore. Oh well... I see where Mitsu Tech is going...