being the originator of some decent, and some not so decent meets in the lutz/land o' lakes area, I know what you mean by wanting ownership or w/e of gettin something going, im not tryin to take that from you, but I just happened to like the norachel's thoughts and get 'ir done attitude. no hard feelings towards you. I jus would hate to see your name dragged down by big dreams and poor execution, then ur name lifted with a few others for a meet that might actually be different from all other car hangouts in the area on a regular basis... see where im comin from? on that note... fucking bed time work owns me