I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend. Sub vs Sub. A sealed enclosure would be the most accurate way to prove the point. Like the man said , if you're using frakenbox the sub vs sub argument is null. I highly doubt this was meant to be the END ALL dicussion of JL vs all. I also have yet to see the other party say he's putting up $1000 that the 10 will win. After all if the confidence is there, why not? Both parties should have something to gain/lose