my opinions are on drifting aspect only, first off, forza is too easy to drift, though still fun. pgr just fails altogether for xbox, and 360. gt3 is best for most cause it doesnt have kickback, but once you actually get used to the weight transfer of gt4 its really awesome and very usable, any rwd stock car is easily driftable in 4, because of weight transfer. although, now ive switched to pc, where live for speed is by far most fun outta the whole bunch, very realistic, not as good of graphics as 360 cause its older, but still by far better physics than all the others, LFS has car damage, you can have open, locked, vlsd, or clutch type diff, lfs actually has a clutch, and can sit in car like real life, so in my opinion LFS-PC> Gt4 = gt3 PS2 > Forza > selling all game consoles > PGR