those are brand new, they still have the cross hatch marks from when you buy new rotors. It looks like maybe they were painted were rust normally builds up on any rotor regarless that is a very good deal. ttt. Plus ive bought stuff off this guy and some stuff ive picked up for free that he just had lying around that is gold to me. He is one of most legit buyers off this site and has been around for a long time.