^.. you cand find the messed up one's for real cheap.. A few grand into it, and you got a quick turbo DSM. Thing people dont realize in these cars is that there not Honda's. You gotta really treat them nice or it don't matter on how new or old it is they will shit on you.. I sorta bought mine that was ragged on and I have already put a few thousand in it. Bought mine with a bad turbo, leaky seals, bad knock sensor, faulty water pump, 5 of the oil pan bolts were stripped, headliner was missing, alot of the electrical shit was wired wrong, HG was leaking, and multiple boost leaks. I've really done a good job in taking care of her and taking it to the right people to have it maintained and fixed (yes, another brother's praise). So point is now that I have gone way off subject is that, DSM's are easy to find that have been ragged on or not taken care of, you just gotta make sure, whether it is turbo or not, that you take care of it, and don't half ass anything. Maintenance is golden. Sorry if this all was a bunch of bullshit no one wanted to hear, I just wanted to give my .02 on these cars. They are very fun to drive but if abused they could be hell.