what i am trying to say and not trying to be a dick or trash your thread is that there is no guarantee that they're are in fact "new". that would have to rely on a trust factor that most people would rather pay the extra $4 for on dsm parts. he could have used the cams then polished them to make them look new. i wouldn't spend $550 when i could pay$4 more to have the satisfaction of knowing that the cams i purchased are in fact new.