those are the same style. but mine are 17s.. 4 lug and x114. and they have tires on them.. enought tread to roll around for a wile.. they all have been spray painted silver.. look like ass.. but there expensive ass rims.. there tsw.. with a sand blaster and some good paint.. they would look amaazing. lmk one has a kinda bad curb mark but nothing serios.. they all have tires