i have a place i have been from for about 2 months now my uncle in NY buys from there store up there but they sell on the web to it is WWW.etronics.com they have the phoenix gold octane subs with blue leds built in (doesn't look ricer) 12" for 49.99 each and they're 400 watt octane 2 ch amp for 99.99 they sell all the top brands check it out lmk know i bought some stuff and i am not advertising at least i hope i am not becuase I am not affiliated with them just trying to pass on a lil help with your question