The man wants 4 seater capabilities with a joyride. I don't have much experience with cars as Im young and havent had the pleasure to enjoy more than a few. Theres plenty of 4 door fun to be had with some of the benzes, bimmers, audis,volvos etc.. but they come at a price. I on the other hand believe it is a good car for it's base price. Some ppl hate to hear it but I belive the RX8 is the perfect 4door family sport rocket. It makes taking the kids to school hella fast and fun like ray said. Its looks rival the looks of those in its class. It seems like it can give you great everyday drivability while functioning as a weekend autocrosser as long as it's maintained right. Bottom line, if I were to go out and buy a new 4 door family good all around car, this would prob be it. My second choice would be the faster G35 but I think it's pricier.