i used to have a catback on my eclipse, and the silencer made it sound stock, pretty much... i'll definetely have to powder coat (will hit temp paint work?) the muffler on my catback for the 180 when i get back home. hey slinkways, you live on sheldon? i live in twelve oaks. the church i go to is on sheldon and i'm good friends with josh & kevin at cruzin solutions, and frank at baywash (i wash my car for free there all the time!). i'm looking forward to seein all the local 240 guys when i get back