probably things wont happen but thats an if it does. i wasnt talking about sr20 bare motors and never thought of that idea so im not bending over for the prices. the two imports i were looking at only listed full dets, once again i never thought of bare motors. i will start as much as i please about those drifts. unless those "safe places" are events then i know and am not talking about them. the point wasnt there werent enough autocrosses or gymhanas around. i know about them and hope to pay for one eventually. what are these "safe places"? i was talking about on the street and comparing our landscape to that of california/northern states with hills and the such.