A 12a WILL go for 200k, a nonturbo 13b WILL go for 150k,a 13bt WILL go for 100k. I know guys who are going past 200,000 on their FB's with their original motor. Most people when they buy one it starts crapping out on them because the previous owner either A) beat the crap out of it and/or B) did not maintain it or store it properly. There are many people who give them a bad rap by saying their unreliable pieces of shit when they don't even know how to take care of it (I am not saying your friend or Saturn dude are these people so PLEASE do not think that).