i respect your opinion on what you think about the tC ..but you have no clue on the proformace this car has and can do. the tC was made for boost that was the whole intension that toyota had on the car, the internal are vary strong for being stock. the car is vary torquey it has a 160hp and 163 torque ... i have seen some dynos on the car stock and it pushing 141whp and and 143 in torque keep in mind this is to the wheel. im not saying the tc is a fastest car but there is no honda stock that can out proforme the tc the only one that can stay in the game is the Si and not by much .. the GT celica is no match stock and the GTS is a great race but from the role i eat them up... off the line is a vary good race its a driver race . there's a tc thats runing 12.5 turbo.. keep in mind this is the first year for the car .. the proformace world is now catching up. . so just keep your eyes open you might see a super white tC turbo around tampa in the near future" hint hint " and i dont mind to see what you have in your ST turbo one day so ill keep you posted "elspuperspic"...