I hadnt looked into it far enough I suppose then. I did read the Motor Trend article and noticed it really wasnt bad though, although I hadnt remembered off the top of my head anything specific from it... I think it was actually a few monthes ago when they reviewed it.

Also, with an engine that big and output so relatively small, I'm sure it has plenty of potential hidden through basic mods.

Like I said, Toyotas arent fast The reason I like them so much is the shear reliabilty and practical driving factor of them..they are just great cars all around. If they wanted to, they could create an evil spawn to decimate the competition--see the new Tacoma; although I wont go so far as to say it "decimates" the competition, you do get more power, better mileage, braking, etc. and the reliabilty factory all for cheaper then most everything else. In fact I believe the only thing it lacked in comparibly was skidpad results..and otherwise blew away opposers.

Surely you've heard MT/C&D's reviews of the new GS's then...performs and handles great and comparably, but the computers and stuff limit it to hell. So as I said before, they have the potential, its just not their thing anymore.

I'll wait for people to really get their hands on them and find out more about them, turbo them, reverse engineer them, etc. until I have my final say.