Why do you think Jesse (the STS Protege) has gotten so damn good. he drive EVERYWHERE like he's autocrossing.

He's a blast to ride with!

Now, I'm not saying he threshold brakes and apexes every turn and all that, but he uses the pricinples behind all these maneuvers when he's driving. And of course he DOES apex a corner and the like from time to time. Just for fun when conditions merit fun driving.

Me, well... how can you drive a Crown Vic at the limits all the time? You just don't or you beat your passengers to death, lol. But it is easy to go ahead and at low speeds like you would normally use to street drive, and try some different lines and apexes or corners. You'll begin to get the hang of where to look in a corner

wow this was s long post.