^^^ my point exactly... every car is different, whether its a honda vs a DSM.... or a DSM vs. a DSM... there are always ifs and buts, yet no candy and nutz, so no... not everybody has a merry christmas... lol why that was pointless right there for ya lol... why did i say that? lol

but yea, there is never going to be a truly "right" or correct and unbiased answer to questions like this, esp without the full specifics on each car and whatnot... and even then... it's all logistics... never know... the DSM driver could be easily driving a high 12 second car, but he can't drive for shit so he runs a mid 14.... lol it's all a game of ifs and buts and that's all it ever will be... that's what i think of this arguement