I've been to richloam, it's nothing compared to a northern blizzard. I can't see how a 2 wheel drive jeep owner is talking smack about winching. If there's a problem i'll pull you out, I took a stock 03 150 4x4 up to richolam and only got high centered in one spot it's all about drive skill and well, most people I meet don't have it. Come play in the rocks if you want a test your vehicle and driving skills.