man, you really don't think you could run a turbo si with just an lsvtec Si? His fourth won't let him in, synchro is gone.....no comparison at all. Hell TAKE IT TO THE TRACK, it does not lie.....an all out race for $$$.....acuracivicsi, you are right, your power lies in the low band below 80-100, but then you crap out....hence the faster car is simply that......the faster car, take it from a dead stop to the max....who is faster......fuck the excuses whoever blows up or stops loses. dave don't sweat these two kids, they had an lsvtec swapped in and now they think it is the fastest car on land......