Z guy, whats ur name so we know who to talk to next time we are out there so i don't call you by some Screen name... The reason 4wd's race from digs isn't to get the advantage, if they race a 13 second FWD car and a 13 second 4WD car at the end of the race it should be a drivers race right there.... but a FWD and RWD will own most 4wd unless they have a sick amount of power... from a roll... thats all i was saying, not trying to come on hard again, and ur serious that focus? you are saying the focus will dig race and it'll walk all over a WRX that owns STi's all day long? and he'd do it for fun, no cash involved??? get back to me on this one, i would let my friend know, and i'm sure he'd race the focus, i'd film, post the results win or lose... would be fun... lemme know