true, but i like the technology to make power in my cars, not displacment. although driving a 240sx around for over 2 years has tought me to like TQ. 24L ka24de makes alot more tq than a 1.6L 4ag. my favorite motor would have to be the 7mgte. thats enough displacment for me. nothing sounds sweater than a 7m with a 3 inch open down pipe!! sex to the ears!!