thats better. i called treo this afternoon the guy said that if i couldnt fit the 19in. deep port that i could wrap it around like u said. so ima do that saves me alot of trouble and worries and now im happy. i think i know what im gonna do now for once. also he said that the bigger the box doesnt mean the better. i should stick around 3.5 for the best results so ima do that. ill draw a picture and post it up. afboy pm me ur cell number so i can get in touch with u. thanks. what area u in also?