I dont doubt they are slow in stock form. I dont think my Civic is all that fast either. The point of my war story was to emphasize that because hes in a 5.9 R/T the owner ( in this case the midlife crisis mullet ) thinks he can beat anything on the road. I just wish I could have lined up at a red light and beat him even worse. For me personally its more about crushing the ego than anything else.