There were 4 of us out last night(red one dropped,yellow droppped on black rims,stock 04 silver,me) went to the gay ass bread factory.....the silver one beat up on a crx with a b16 on dr's,and a 03 sentra on the bottle the yellow ran a evo...lost from a stop and annilated the vo from a 20 mph roll....i couldnt run...motor mountsstill arent in overall a good night