and several other lines, its also where audiopipe came from all of those lines are made at one companey and sent to others to get a name put on it, it's all junk there mihgt bee like between 10 to 20 lines that i will call good, every thing els sux and most of them are ran buy suporters of the p.o.l (all of arabs that are having gov. problems with) so think about that next time you buy a dls, or alpasonic, swiss audio, db drive or any of thoes nock off lines