BigB, upon reading this post I must say that being a member of TR's ugly car crew, I would like to participate.... I will have my car up in running order hopefully in the next week or 2 so I would love to show you a "torqueless" Honda... By making that comment you wrote a check that you cant cash.... I am sure I have plenty of torque to let you leave the hole faster, and STILL catch up.... It must feel kinda funny getting beat by a "torqueless" FOUR DOOR Honda.... Let me know when this is going down so I can put a rush on my fixer uppers and come regulate... And by the way, same bet for you, after I beat you can I write something Honda related on your window??? Its only shoe pollish....