regina, you missed my point about the "fame" thing. for me, i often feel its for personal honor, for the sake of being good, to satisfy myself with skill more than to satisfy anyone else. to realize youre a "contender", but still having your motivation based in the enjoyment of the slide. anyone who participates for the sole sake of becoming recognized is a sign of misconception, because the whole sport started as people just having fun and seeing what they can do when the road gets curvy.

but oh man... ive read that other thread before, but reading it again is getting me all pissed off, even brought orlando into it. what an ass.

oh well, dday will help everyone blow off steam.