Ill reply so afboy doesnt have to waste his time typing what him (and me) think. Nobody argues about the quality of JL. Their quality, and their being played out, are 2 completely separate entities. They are excellent quality and can hit 140, but they ARE played out. I have never been one to go with the bandwagon, I like having stuff for my car that nobody else has, and I'm sure afboy is the same way, which is why we probably wouldnt buy JL.