ok stock bottom end means stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons, so stock bottom end. so he has some bolts big deal and its a stock block. anyone want to back me up on stock bottom end minus 95 pistons? exactly my point so don't bad mouth me. any way you have an 88 supra and a 85 mr2, come on just cause your friend has a dsm doesn't mean you can go bad mouthing dsm people in our mitsu forum. go to the toyota forum and post there. see ya