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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 09:03 AM
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i have read that link about the 34 rwhp and i just dont believe everything i read on there ofcourse. with headers, most people have a VERY hard time gaining 30+ rwhp with a cam, much less one with duration that small! now the new LS6 cam is a lot better than the first version. i know that 30 rwhp is not the norm at all on an honest dyno that i have seen on our dyno here in Kansas City.

oh and the B1 T1 the diff is basically the idle. B1 is a bunch smoother. it also holds its power a bit longer thr
oughout the powerband too (good for racing).

BUT, please show me wrong, i love it when people overcome and accell! good luck with it !
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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Spydum
with the lift on the '02-'03 LS6 cam, theres no way you could use stock length pushrods. I think I read somewhere they should be 7.4"..
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Originally posted by gator oh and the B1 T1 the diff is basically the idle. B1 is a bunch smoother. it also holds its power a bit longer throughout the powerband too (good for racing).
I like the look of the B1 because of the 114 LSA... it would make more torque earlier in the powerband.


Stock/Aftermarket Pushrod info:
PROS - if you over-rev you will bend a dime a dozen pushrod, easy fix, would probably not break anything else.

CONS - with a high lift cam and hi-po springs you will weaken the stock pushrod and risk the chnce of breaking it under stressful driving situations without ever over -revving the engine. You also risk bending a pushrod and throwing the geometry of the valvetrain off thus causing problems in other areas. Meaning, it is inherently weaker, so there is always a higher risk of bending it and if you do then you also risk damaging other valvetrain parts in the process.

You could go either way. You will be glad you had stockers in if you bend one and can get it fixed before any damage is done, you will look like a genious. Although you look like a boob if for some reason your valvetrain starts making noises after 3 months and you pull the head to find bent valves and pushrods and you know you never over -revved it. Then you have to fix and replace a lot.

There is a compromise. You don't have to go all the way and get chrome moly pr's. You can get new pr's made much stronger than stock which are rated to your springs and cam but not as strong as moly so they should still be the first to bend or break. It's what I do.
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The above quote makes sense. What do you think?
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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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I agree, I'd much rather have bent pushrods than a busted rocker arm or springs/valves/etc..

Also, I think it would be interesting to find out if the guys running with the 7.4" pushrods are the ones gaining the extra power. I realize its only 5/1000ths of an inch, but it could account for why some people are seeing much different results..
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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 12:18 PM
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Too much civilty and facts are present in this thread. Either start flaming or it gets locked down.
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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Spydum
with the lift on the '02-'03 LS6 cam, theres no way you could use stock length pushrods. I think I read somewhere they should be 7.4"..
I think someone already posted the link to ls1tech, there was a thread today or yesterday about the guy making 34rwhp more thru his A4. Keep in mind, shifting power peaks/curves around is great, but I'll reserve making judgement until I see his track mph..
FYI~ The stock length is 7.4
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Old Apr 14, 2003 | 06:54 PM
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d0h, thought it was 7.35", my bad.. still you get the idea
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Old Apr 15, 2003 | 05:03 AM
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It does look like the 02/03 LS 6 cam is a little better than my stock 98 cam. But it would more than likely only get 20 or so HP at the wheels with tuning. I think It would work real well when coupled with the Cranw roller rockers. That might get you 40 HP at the wheels with the 02\03 LS 6 cam and tuning.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 08:11 AM
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Well, keep in mind that this is also my daily driver. I notice that most of the H/C cars are not... I'm sure there are a few reasons for that. Once the woman gets back into the country, I'm back to driving the T/A all day, every day. Like mentioned earlier, too, I will be happy in the 11's... so I just need to shave a little more than a half second off, but would like to shave off a little more, for the days that I just don't get optimum running conditions.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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well Dino, i think we are looking out for you. i understand the reasoning for not running a big cam in an auto for a daily driver. BUT, i DONT think you are gonna run that well with just a LS6 cam. i have seen it again and again that people are not gaining the power of some on the net with just a cam change. now if you run all the boltons including headers, ls6 intake, pulley, etc - you are gonna run pretty well. but that is more the boltons, not the cam. if you want to run 11s, i think hooking the car and maybe weight reduction for the track are key. tire and convertor/gear (auto or mn6 car) are the way to get there. the differnce b/w 12.6s and 11.9s is huge and all in the launch.

also with a good programer, i have my faith in alan futral, any cam can be made smooth. i have NO startup problems with my 230/230 .573 111 LSA in my auto. no foot on the gas to start and keep, no idle surge, etc ofcourse i am real happy with it as a performer on the dyno and on the street, but i need to get some track time with the cam, life is busy for me right now. a 220 on a 114 lsa would be smooth and make great power.
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Old Apr 17, 2003 | 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by gator
well Dino, i think we are looking out for you. i understand the reasoning for not running a big cam in an auto for a daily driver. BUT, i DONT think you are gonna run that well with just a LS6 cam. i have seen it again and again that people are not gaining the power of some on the net with just a cam change. now if you run all the boltons including headers, ls6 intake, pulley, etc - you are gonna run pretty well. but that is more the boltons, not the cam. if you want to run 11s, i think hooking the car and maybe weight reduction for the track are key. tire and convertor/gear (auto or mn6 car) are the way to get there. the differnce b/w 12.6s and 11.9s is huge and all in the launch.

also with a good programer, i have my faith in alan futral, any cam can be made smooth. i have NO startup problems with my 230/230 .573 111 LSA in my auto. no foot on the gas to start and keep, no idle surge, etc ofcourse i am real happy with it as a performer on the dyno and on the street, but i need to get some track time with the cam, life is busy for me right now. a 220 on a 114 lsa would be smooth and make great power.
Cool, thanks man. I don't have any 'power making' mods right now, other than the lid and muffler (not even a catback), so I guess I should look at doing something more before the cam? I'm working on making it hook better right now... LCA's, SFC's, PHR, TqA (waiting for the truck to deliver it), STB, and Nitto's. I guess I could do some gears, too, but I've been holding off for now. I like that the 3.42's are stonger than the 4.10's. Like I said, this is my daily driver, and if it breaks, then I'm fizucked!
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